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Dec 15, 2007

Deferred

Posted in: Process & Statistics

In the near future, we'll have some advice here on the blogs for students who have been deferred. In the meantime, feel free to use this forum to chat.

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First!

Posted by: ebsb on December 15, 2007

deferred :/

Posted by: David on December 15, 2007

Yup. Deferred. (exhales slightly)

Posted by: Zev on December 15, 2007

Deferred...darn...

Posted by: Xaq on December 15, 2007

deferred...

Posted by: rach on December 15, 2007

:(

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

well, there's always march, right?

Posted by: stephanie on December 15, 2007

well poop :(

Posted by: enewts on December 15, 2007

DEFERRED.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred...dang it.

Posted by: Justin on December 15, 2007

I guess I belong in this group. = )

Better than what it could have been eh.

Posted by: Rachel on December 15, 2007

nobody has posted in admitted yet...

Posted by: David on December 15, 2007

aww deferred. that means I have to study extra-hard for finals that are next week...

Posted by: Amy on December 15, 2007

Wow, late March is a long time from now...

Posted by: Leko on December 15, 2007

Do we really have to wait until March? Ughhh

Posted by: MorganM on December 15, 2007

Well, at least we are the majority lol, they don't accept a lot of EA's, they defer most of us

Posted by: Xaq on December 15, 2007

gah...deferred. I knew that was the most likely outcome and it's definitely not the worst, but still...got all stressed out for today, and then all of a sudden I have to wait for march.

Posted by: Spencerlt on December 15, 2007

i wish i could've just known now,
but hey at least they still want to know some more about us, right?

Posted by: ase on December 15, 2007

i read that those who are deferred can appeal to the admissions staff. what's that about?

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

ugh

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

nuuuuuuuuuu! deferral!

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

That's depressing.
But there's still hope.

Posted by: richard on December 15, 2007

Deferred.
There ARE people who have been deferred but then subsequently admitted through regular decision...
Keep up the hopes, eh?

Posted by: Pooja on December 15, 2007

well, it seems to be the trend. alright, there's still a chance. don't worry too much.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

yeah - thats the worst part. i got all stressed and now i have to wait til march. ughh.

Posted by: molly on December 15, 2007

deferred :/

Posted by: jeremy on December 15, 2007

It'd be nice if we could fix up our application a little. I have better versions of my essays, and it might help if I could put them in place of my old ones.

Posted by: Aaron on December 15, 2007

Deferred as well, what does that mean exactly, what will you be looking for that might "tip the ship" so to speak? Is there a percentage of deferred students that get accepted? thanks

Posted by: angus on December 15, 2007

Deferred.. Not a big deal

Posted by: Daniel on December 15, 2007

Bah Humbug.

Posted by: kevin on December 15, 2007

Yech, deferral. Looks like I'll be spending the rest of my weekend working on other applications then, how fun.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

bloody hell

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Now we have to go through all of this again in 3 months...

Posted by: Phillip on December 15, 2007

Another three months to go. And now back to studying for exams...

Posted by: Mike on December 15, 2007

Here's to three more months of waiting...yeah

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

:(
another long wait.

Posted by: dan on December 15, 2007

bummer.. now I've got to work on my other applications :(

Posted by: jackson on December 15, 2007

Hmm...this means extra studying. I was looking forward to not freaking out about school, but I guess it's still too soon for that :-(

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Rar! Sadtimes...

Does anyone know if I can submit additional information for my regular application, if anything substantial has happened in the few months?

Posted by: bunny on December 15, 2007

Mehhhh
deferred

Posted by: Paul on December 15, 2007

Deferred? I got stressed about being accepted or rejected and now I'm neither?

bugger.

Posted by: christine on December 15, 2007

que sera sera

whatevs.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred...

Posted by: Laser on December 15, 2007

At least we are getting another shot in March, hopefully we'll get in then.

Posted by: Alex on December 15, 2007

wtf. this sucks.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred as well. Oh well, now for the wait until March.

Posted by: De Petagma Saru on December 15, 2007

Soo... do we need to submit anything more or resend our scores or do we just let it sit until march?

Posted by: vivek on December 15, 2007

deferred.... i just wanna know already ahhh =.=

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred, it doesn't feel as bad as I thought that it was going to feel though.

Posted by: Kevin Simon on December 15, 2007

Don't despair!

A lot of deferred people are admitted in regular action. I'm one of them. It is not a "polite rejection" - they really want to evaluate you again. I recommend writing a letter sometime in January explaining what you've been up to recently, and how much you still love MIT despite feeling betrayed (okay, don't put it like that).

And even if you don't get in regular, being deferred from MIT means you can probably get in to many other great schools. I'm sure bloggers will give you more advice on that sort of stuff later.

$.02

Posted by: Steve '11 on December 15, 2007

Yes! I feel exactly how I did 10 minutes ago!

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Well, at least I still have my weighted companion cube.

Oh wait I incinerated him.

Till March then.

Posted by: lindseuse on December 15, 2007

d'oh
T,T

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ah well, deferred - now I gotta finish other apps :/

Posted by: Anand on December 15, 2007

Anticlimactic in the utmost. Crimety, what a disappointment.

I wish you all luck in late March!

Posted by: Louis II on December 15, 2007

back to apps...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

:( MARCH is a long time

Posted by: Stefania on December 15, 2007

Eh....disappointing, but it doesn't surprise me.

Is there a way to fix up our applications after the fact? Anything like that would be nice, there's a few errors I spotted later on that I really wish I could fix.

At the very least I'd like to resubmit my essay. In the process of uploading my essay, part of a sentence got chopped out (causing a strange grammatical error) and I didn't catch the error until after I had submitted it.

Posted by: Johonaton on December 15, 2007

I guess life should never be easy- it would just be sad if it stopped here...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

booooooooo

what percentage of students that are deferred get admitted?

Posted by: alyssa on December 15, 2007

God bless for March RD

Posted by: Raghav on December 15, 2007

Well, they still accept a few hundred more from the early action pool right? More waiting for those of us trapped in limbo then, and best wishes to those who were accepted!

Posted by: Trevor on December 15, 2007

wow that was quick....
even i got deferred =/

Posted by: anon on December 15, 2007

Ugh. I was envisioning this outcome, but I still had the slight hope deep inside that I would be admitted. I know there's the review in March, but unfortunately this still puts a damper on things. It would have been great to know immediately that I was going to be at MIT next year, but now I must focus on other applications just in case. I know I would be fine at other schools, but I really feel like MIT is my destiny. It makes you wonder... what made the application committee decide to not accept you right away?

Posted by: Brad on December 15, 2007

There is hope!!!

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 15, 2007

sigh..
kind of expected.... but still hurts.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

deferred..time to continue working on other apps... :/

Posted by: marissa on December 15, 2007

Yeah..so I wasn't deferred from MIT, but still deferred.

It's disappointing, but there's still hope!

Posted by: deferred... on December 15, 2007

:(

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 15, 2007

I guess I should start writing a letter of appeal…

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous on December 15, 2007

deffered. darn... now all this stress over again... and the wait and anticipation [for three months!!]! oi! I think I would like some advice on how to feel? how many deferred actually get accepted later on?? *sigh* I guess I can keep dreaming about being at MIT next fall... for another three months...

Posted by: confuzzeled on December 15, 2007

Deferred, whatever, we's got March still

Posted by: ARjun on December 15, 2007

Deferred, ehh... Seems like EA doesn't really affect the percentage that gets into MIT, never fear, there's always 3 more months of panic attacks, anxiety attacks, and waking up in the middle of the night realizing you haven't gone to bed yet.... tongue laugh

Posted by: Giordon on December 15, 2007

my birthday is in late march. first i thought this decision was going to make or break my christmastime but its going to decide if i have a good birthday or not. :[

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ugh...Oh well.
All I can do is hope for march, in the meantime I'll have to work on those other applications. How annoying.

Posted by: sean on December 15, 2007

Deferred as well... but still have a second chance in March~

/doesn't give up hope just yet.

Posted by: Ken on December 15, 2007

How do you know if you've been deferred? Is there an indicator on my.mit.edu?

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

Lower your expectations, and you'll never be disappointed!

nonsense

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Can someone elaborate on the "appeal letters"?

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

I know there's still march, bit I still feel so empty inside now... :(

this is going to be painful....

Posted by: platypus01 on December 15, 2007

robotics competitions are late march.... and i might not have internet access.... GRRRR

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Hey everyone!!!

Heads up! We still have a chance!!

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 15, 2007

does anyone know the ratio of admitted vs. deferred vs. not admitted?

Posted by: fandebiao on December 15, 2007

I feel pwned. I'm certain I was deferred because of my lower-than-average GPA, which is good, because my grades are much, much better this semester and hopefully that'll convince them. So three cheers for staying in the game, to all of us.

Posted by: JohnJimJoeBob on December 15, 2007

oh well; could have been worse.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

BLAH have to wait till March and do more applications! ugh BLAH

Posted by: Derek on December 15, 2007

Is there an indicator on my.mit.edu as to if you've been deferred?

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

We need the spirit of an MIT student right now!!!!

We do not give up!!!

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 15, 2007

Still wondering if there's an indicator on my.mit.edu... can someone answer?

Posted by: 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 on December 15, 2007

deferred..durh

but think about it this way--your def qualified for MIT if you've come this far, so don't lose hope!! In march, they'll be bangin out acceptances to us!!

Posted by: tOts on December 15, 2007

Go here to find out if you are accepted, deferred or rejected: https://decisions.mit.edu/

Posted by: Justin on December 15, 2007

It's not a positive result, but it's still a relieving one. Now to wait on UMD (2nd choice), apply to UVA and Hope College... And then to wait on MIT again. :k

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

@ pi

I think deferred status is only given on decions.mit.edu not my.mit.edu

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

I think this year, 3900 applied EA and only 500 were accepted.

In past years, about 300 of the deferred get accepted RD.

I'm glad I was deferred and not outright rejected, whether you like it or not, it's still another chance. Although I do have to admit that it would've been cool to get the tube.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ahh... Deferred. I can tell myself to cheer up, and there's always RD in March, but it seems so long away and I'm bummed now... Chin up, everyone. We piqued the interest of the MIT adcoms at least enough so that they're giving us a second chance, right? Good luck to everyone who got deferred, and hopefully we'll have better luck in March!

Posted by: bejia on December 15, 2007

Ahh, thank you Justin, I've been deferred as I predicted...

Posted by: 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 on December 15, 2007

Yep...it's a long time until March. Until then, I guess we had better enjoy everything else we've been doing.

:( So sad.

Posted by: Travis on December 15, 2007

what a present for the holidays...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

okay, 3.14159, do you mean an indicator that will tell you if you got in or not?
That's as easy as pi.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Go to https://decisions.mit.edu

and type in your id and password. It should tell you your status.
Good luck.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Well, even though it feels like I just fell 50 feet onto a nice pile of rocks, at least we weren't flat out rejected, right?

Posted by: stephanie on December 15, 2007

@3.1415...

No problem. Deferred is better than rejected right! raspberry Good luck everyone and I hope to see you all in the Fall!

Posted by: Justin on December 15, 2007

by the way...don't read the comments on the accepted board...it'll make you feel really sad

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Statistics from last year:

http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/index.shtml

10.9 % of those deferred were accepted.

Posted by: Steve '11 on December 15, 2007

Deferred. Can't say that I'm even remotely surprised, though I'm pretty impressed that I wasn't flat-out rejected.

Posted by: Ryan on December 15, 2007

Right!!

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 15, 2007

No reason to lose hope now; there's always March!

I agree that it would be nice to be able to tweak our applications a little before they are reconsidered, though.

Posted by: Adam on December 15, 2007

*sigh*

*goes back to watching Xfiles while he waits for the Caltech letters to arrive*

Posted by: bunny on December 15, 2007

hey, at least we weren't rejected! smile

I'd better get on those common app supplements...

Posted by: MM on December 15, 2007

Oh well. I'm still waiting for Caltech which should arrive later today.

Posted by: Aleksey on December 15, 2007

Why don't people have contests on memorizing e or phi?

Posted by: 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 on December 15, 2007

I tried but I guess I gotta try harder.

Posted by: Meng! on December 15, 2007

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence...and I guess the chase will be delayed for a bit (my dream can still become a reality)

Posted by: Nitish on December 15, 2007

How can you tell if you were rejected or defered?

Posted by: Sudipta on December 15, 2007

Deferred....I thought that i'd have a good change with good scores and extracurrics AND living in mississippi...guess not.

Posted by: bz on December 15, 2007

@Sudipta

Go to https://decisions.mit.edu/

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

yeah i went there, is it supposed to say deferred?

Posted by: Sudipta on December 15, 2007

If you fill in your information it should give you a letter and you can usually tell from the first line what the decision is...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

yeah i went there, is it supposed to say defered?

Posted by: Sudipta on December 15, 2007

Alright, guys! We get another shot. Keep your heads up! =]

Posted by: Carolina on December 15, 2007

i'm sad.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

disappointing ... but expected

Posted by: Jordan on December 15, 2007

Hey guys-

I'm a long-time blog stalker, first-time commenter,
and now...I'm one of the deferred.

Well now, I can't say that being deferred doesn't suck,
but as many of you have said,
yeah it could've been worse.
It could've been better too but heh,
let's not go there.

So here's to a weekend of finishing all of those extra applications!
Daunting yes,
and I am sure that I will be cursing myself within the next hour at most,
but as many of you have said,
we shouldn't lose hope,
and not all of life comes to an end on one Saturday morning
(I scarcely believe that myself, but despite how many of us are probably thinking now...
life does go on after an MIT deferral).

It is...a tad odd
to even think of having to finish applications to other schools
especially if MIT was the first choice but hey,
how I'm seeing it, just try to treat them as if they were MIT.
Stupid advice?
Maybe.
But hopefully some of that passion will be siphoned off into those other apps.
Who knows?
Definitely not me.

March may seem a while off, but it'll be here much sooner than we think.
Anyone else looking forward to that
wow-I'm-about-to-throw-up-all-over-my-keyboard
feeling again?

It's strange, since yesterday I had felt better than I do now,
as despite feeling sick to my stomach
I did have that false hope at least...and of course,
regretting all of the things that I could've submitted,
but didn't,
and then started kicking myself over...
Well, at least we'll have a chance to spiff up our applications?
Hopefully?

Wow, this certainly was a load of incongruous banter...
but I guess my point was
(if I even had one)
was just, as little as I'd like to admit it,
there's still a chance,
and the battle's far from over for us.

We didn't get this far, just to have it all fall apart.

Best of luck to all of the still hopeful '12's!
And my apologies for this grammatical nightmare of a comment!

Posted by: Julia L. on December 15, 2007

Beautiful post Julia. Thank you

Posted by: Justin on December 15, 2007

Apologies in advance to Langston Hughes.

What happens to a decision Deferred?
Does it dry up
to a sublimated state?
Or fester like arcsin--
And differentiate?
Does it stink like an infinite loop?
Or debug and sugar over--
into the Rejected group?

Maybe it just drags
like a complex plane ln.

Or in March, does it get in?

Posted by: Pooja on December 15, 2007

yeah this was somewhat expected. i'm super glad i have another chance though. it's kind of like we made a cut. so be proud!..it's MIT

but now i have to do all those other applications...

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

YES!!!!!!!! I'm deferred and not rejected. Awesome.
Wait, was I supposed to be accepted?
Oh...Darn...
raspberry + :(((

Posted by: Adam on December 15, 2007

actually i was kind of relieved upon seeing the decision...i really thought that i would have got denied! so glad that MIT has given me another chance!! there's always hope, right?^^

Posted by: Ely on December 15, 2007

@ Pooja
that was sweet. good job

Posted by: Anon on December 15, 2007

Chris S. 'll posted a great blog about the process of improving the application. You can find it at: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/pulse/the_match_between_you_and_mit/post_7.shtml

Posted by: anon on December 15, 2007

Can't say I wasn't expecting it.

Posted by: Marissa on December 15, 2007

This is the first time in many of our lives when we find out we all might not be rockstars.
Welcome to the big pond, little fish.

It hurts.


But I realize, every now and then, that it's ok. I'm not going to change; if i get rejected in march, i'm not going to turn stupid or something.

The only thing you lose is the whispers of "That's ____, he's going to MIT" behind your back in the hallway. And if that's what you dream about, than maybe MIT isn't the school for you.

I'm very sorry for my post.

Posted by: ethan on December 15, 2007

There must have been some mistake.

How did we ALL get deferred?

Posted by: Joe. on December 15, 2007

Too bad the MIT application was the first one I did. Now I probably have 100x more experience in writing apps and I could have made it so much better. If I don't get in in March, there is always graduate school.

try
{
Mit.getInEarlyAction();
}
catch(DeferredException darn)
{
Mit.wait3Months();
}

Posted by: Adam on December 15, 2007

Deferred. :/

Upsetting, obviously. But I doubt that any of us have been the type to stop trying! Let's do everything we can, people!

Good luck to all in March!

Posted by: Trent on December 15, 2007

"WHAT'S WITH ALL THIS TOUCHY-FEELY BULLCRAP?!"
--Prinicipal Scudworth, Clone High.

Reasons I think you got deferred:
1. You write too much poetry! You might want to try a liberal arts college (like that place down the street).

2. You're a bunch of losers!

3. The admissions process is really conducted by dartboard

4. (not sure about this one) You are susceptible to trolling.

Posted by: William S. '11 on December 15, 2007

sigh...deferred...darn, i was pretty sure i'll get in too. well, one more try in march, because i already see myself at MIT

Posted by: Shion on December 15, 2007

Yep...deferred. welcome to the group

Posted by: Rich on December 15, 2007

Deferred... It's just more time to get ready to move to Cambridge ^_^

Posted by: leopoettx on December 15, 2007

woot deffered!

to hell with this, I'm going to Oxford

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

woot deffered!

to hell with this, I'm going to Oxford =P

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

@ Pooja:
VERY nice! Hughes all the way.

Good morning, bloggers!
Ain't you heard
The modem-processing rumble
of admission deferred?

That's from another-- I couldn't resist.
Well, can't say I didn't expect it. If Steve '11's stats are right, we have about the same chance of getting accpeted in March as we did today. So have a cookie and think: "I'm brilliant. You're brilliant. We're all brilliant together!" Then scramble off to attack your March calendar pages with every color of highlighter imaginable. So ta ta, as I do just that.

Posted by: E Rosser on December 15, 2007

hmmm, would they ever defer u if ur a strong student but meybe not a good fit for MIT? or would they just reject u?

Posted by: jC on December 15, 2007

Thinking positively and leting the universe work itself out, deferred is just a pause in life. It is not the end of life as we know it.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

@jC: the answer to that is true. Now go look up boolean logic to see what I mean.

Posted by: Cj on December 15, 2007

The holidays are just around the corner. Let's finish our other applications and relax!

Posted by: wongster on December 15, 2007

"woot deffered!

to hell with this, I'm going to Oxford =P"

I lol'd

Posted by: angus on December 15, 2007

Deferred, but the more and more I think about it, MIT would have been crazy to admit me Early Action. Thanks to my exchange year, the only grades they have are Freshmen and Sophomore grades.

I do have a question for anyone who knows about the MIT applications process, though. I'm applying for an NROTC scholarship, and I have been told that I'm (in their words) "a 99.9% sure thing" to get one for MIT. While I can't include the last part, should I notify the admissions board that I'm applying (aka, does that factor in at all)? The men have told me that they'll have a letter to me by the end of February telling me that I've gotten it (or not gotten it, if it somehow works out that way), and they'd notify MIT around that time. Would that be too late to have any impact?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Ian on December 15, 2007

@ Julia L.

Very nice!

@ Pooja

Hughes forever, mi amigo. I smiled.

Posted by: Ian on December 15, 2007

ratio is probably around

1:6:1
500:3000:500
accepted:deferred:rejected

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

In the words of wise Obi-Wan, "I feel a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

Posted by: Feng on December 15, 2007

deferred on my birthday yes!

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

I won't say thank you,
I'll keep it to myself forever.
Words of farewell will drop,
Silently after a crystal clear dream,
Holding flakes falling from the sky in both hands,
I embrace them forever and ever.
I already knows the strength it takes,
To smile until the end.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

As the wind blew by my feet, light from the miracles,
Which gathered from everyday life, danced in the air.
Up in the sky are clouds, guides to my faraway home,
Making my forward bound faster than when I was little.

Like children waiting for the snow to melt,
Twinkling lights run and splash around
Without even noticing what they will see tomorrow,
They are sparkling in their seasons,
A day'll come when any wish will come true anywhere in the world.

For we who keep traveling,
A small angel will descend.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred Poetry?
Alright then

As winter's breath blows through the gentle waves,
Whilst falling flakes catch on the willow bark,
Deepest memories within the land doth take,
Endless shadows inside journeyman's heart.
For from the days of expressionless joy,
Festivities come and frequently go,
With food and drink and song and dance and toy,
T'was the living dream now buried in snow.
Forward march on flatlands and stepping stones,
A timeless path yeld forth in front of me,
In blizzard or frostbite I hold my own,
To ever running where eyes cannot see.
Across the white and down below the blue,
From where I came to be home again soon.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ahh forgot my name. If you believe I'd written the above poem, ty. If not, I don't blame you!

Posted by: Rich on December 15, 2007

Deferred! but w/e! I got into U Chicago!

Posted by: Weiting on December 15, 2007

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Posted by: PeacenikPie on December 15, 2007

Actually I'm really happy I got deferred...

Look on the bright side, I almost thought I would get shut down first try. I came home today almost dreading a rejection letter, so when I heard I got deferred I was actually happy.

I dunno MIT is still my number 1 though.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

It's bizarre. I really can't fathom the idea that I've finally applied to MIT, let alone been deferred as of today. I've always imagined one day going here (or a place like here) and the idea that I'm now in the process of being judged for admission is kind of surreal.

I've been accepted early to UChicago, which is really nice because apparently they cranked out a bunch of deferrals this year too, but it's a bit different... I mean, I have the security of going to an impressive school, but I think it would be hard to go there with these pines for MIT. My plan (as of 9am this morning) was to go to Chicago if I didn't make MIT and to MIT if I did make it. I thought they'd be polarized by my application, either wanting me or not, yet apparently that wasn't the case. Now I'm on the fence about everything; I had planned on matriculating somewhere in a few days. But I'm going to wait. And I'm actually pretty happy; a certain sense of satisfaction comes with being deferred because we are recognized, at least marginally, for our potential. And who doesn't like being recognized for potential? :D

Can you guys relate?

Posted by: J Courtois on December 15, 2007

@ PeacenikPie: please use hex. It's much easier to read.

@ Rich: I believe you. I have no doubt that you wrote it.

Posted by: Anon on December 15, 2007

Deferred at MIT and Caltech. The Caltech letter looked semi-promising at first!

Posted by: Aleksey on December 15, 2007

For all of you saying it'll be a long wait until March, take a deep breath. It actually (at least for me-I was deferred) is shorter-seeming than the wait you've already had. I wrote more extensively about this here http://dizzyliz.blogspot.com/2007/10/1029-my-ea-experience-plus-some-on-apps.html
Enjoy your senior year. It can be amazing if you let it.

Posted by: Elizabeth '11 on December 15, 2007

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Posted by: PeacenikPie on December 15, 2007

deferred... sigh. well i was pretty sure this was going to happen. chin up everyone, three months to go. good poem, dude.
smile

Posted by: Will on December 15, 2007

@ Anon: You're not mocking me are you?

Posted by: Rich on December 15, 2007

Deferred too...
Have to go send in more apps to other colleges now... :(

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

For weeks I was sure that I wouldn't get into MIT. When people asked me about college (basically any adult EVER -stranger that I just met or not), I avoided telling them about EA at MIT because I was afraid I would see them again and I would have to tell them about my rejection. Today, I purposefully went out because I didn't want to see the decision right at 12--I was so nervous! and I had already persuaded myself that I was rejected. Anywho, I got around to it (yeah I'm not gonna lie, I exceeded the speed limit on the way home) and I was relieved to see that I got deferred.
Waiting until March is....bleh...but I still have a chance to go to MIT...which is...wooooo hooo!YAY smile
So keep your heads up everyone! Time is gonna fly by, and before long we'll know where we're going after HS-whether that's MIT or not.

Posted by: Susan on December 15, 2007

I have a question...
My midyear grades haven't come out yet, and I assumed it was okay, since they're being sent as soon as they come out. Is that why I don't have a decision?

Posted by: Prianka on December 15, 2007

To Prianka: I don't believe the midyear report was necessary for early action because neither I not any of my classmates sent ours, since we do not have midyear scores yet, and we still received decisions. I was a little concerned since the application indicated that a midyear report was necessary even if one is applying for early action. What did the decisions page say for you?

Posted by: Rich on December 15, 2007

Hello Everyone,
Let me tell you an interesting story:
I applied early action to MIT last year. Ever since I first moved to America in the fourth grade I had wanted to go to MIT. After nine years of hard work and sending my life in a 10*14" manila envelope, I, too, was deferred. Unwavered, I continued the application process, applied to a whole bunch of other schools regular decision, and waited. I sent a one-page letter off in January to all my schools because a lot of good things happened in January which I thought they should know about. In the spring, another letter came from MIT. I was waitlisted. Everyone told me to let it go, choose a school, and have it be done. My math teacher said they didn't deserve me if they couldn't make up their minds. A friend's mother said I was too normal for MIT. But I wanted it. I wanted MIT so bad. So I stayed on the waitlist.
An e-mail came on the last day of AP exams. I had just finished AP Ovid & Catullus when I came home, checked the mail (nothing), checked my phone (nothing), and turned on the news (nothing special) when finally I opened up my Outlook e-mail to find a message from Mari McQuaid titled:
"WELCOME MIT Class of 2011"
It might have taken me six months, but it was damn well worth it.

I've been at MIT four months now and I have never felt more at home. Coursework was surprisingly easy, people INCREDIBLY friendly, faculty so supportive. I have never been happier than I am right now. I fit into MIT like a face-centered cubic crystal. After coming here, I now understand why it took me until the waitlist to get in. You would not believe how talented kids here are.

In short, then, the moral of my story is:
If you want it bad, don't give up.
Being deferred or waitlisted is just part of the process.
Be stoic about the admissions process. If you gave it your all, then there's nothing more you can do.
And remember,
it's all just business.

All the best,
Ken Haggerty

Posted by: Ken Haggerty on December 15, 2007

@PeacenikPie
if you really want to be inscrutable, you could also write your message in huge ascii art, then convert it to hex text, apply some sort of simple cipher, and post the result LOL
Or, if you want people to understand you, you could just post the ascii
BTW, I have no idea what they decided to do with me, and I don't want to go check either because I'd rather not ruin my weekend. In any case, I didn't wait for the decision, and sent out the last of my RD apps yesterday. I'm posting in this forum on the basis of a blind and most likely groundless optimism (as I'll most likely rejected)

Cheers,

Posted by: Jimmy on December 15, 2007

Yay! here's to weeks of anxiety waiting for the day that you find out that you'll find out three months from now!

Posted by: TJ on December 15, 2007

oops, meant to say I'll most likely be rejected

Posted by: Jimmy on December 15, 2007

@ Rich
apparently i'm really stupid, and let my dad type in my username/password (it's just my name and birthday)... apparently he doesn't know my birthday...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

also @ Rich
and again, with the stupidity, I forgot to put my name...

Posted by: Prianka on December 15, 2007

I guess if it wasn't this tough we wouldn't be dying to get in would we?

Anywho I'm over the initial shock now. Good luck to all in March. Hope to see you at MIT next fall.

Posted by: Isaac on December 15, 2007

What are some of the things we can do to improve our chances of being accepted in the Regular Action rounds? I wasn't surprised that I was deferred but I REALLY want MIT!

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ahh, alright then.

Hmm...let's c...send them a letter with additional accomplishments since November(if there are any worth noting)...don't annoy them...I'm not sure what else we can do. Anyone else?

Posted by: Rich on December 15, 2007

Does anyone know the real number of people that were admitted EA? Wasn't it like 300 last year? Did it really go up to 500 this year? That's not a good sign for people like us who were deferred. Sorry. I don't mean to be a downer. I'm just trying to get an accurate picture of my chances of getting in.

Posted by: Evan on December 15, 2007

wonder when regular decision will be released ...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Gahhh!!!
Just got my letter from Caltech, I got deferred there too x.x At least a whole bunch of cool stuff has happened since I sent my apps in October smile

Posted by: bunny on December 15, 2007

Deferred...interesting decision...three more months...

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

@Evan

I really don't think that there's a quota of sorts on how many people from each pool they take. MIT simply accepts the best qualified, regardless of when your info reaches them.

I bet that the reason an unusually large number were accepted is because big name Ivies got rid of their early action option, shunting many of them to MIT. The admissions board probably accepted more than usual because they figure a typical student in this particular pool is less likely to choose MIT if they get in.

Posted by: ethan on December 15, 2007

Well...I'm a bit depressed...but that's probably because I have a cold in addition to a deferral. Anyway, it's been fun visiting MIT and reading all the blogs. At least I have an excuse to read the blogs for another three months. =)

Posted by: Rena on December 15, 2007

Sigh.....very anticlimactic.

Well, time to get cracking on those other applications -- they aren't going to write themselves.

Anyway, here's hoping that we get in.

Posted by: Zach on December 15, 2007

Deferred...meh.

I like one of the earlier comments, that we're just little fish now in a big pool. I've gone through my whole high school experience getting talked up as the smartest kid in the school and maybe even in the county. To get deferred was a smack in the face. But there is still March, and the application process has been going well for me in other places. To all you others out there in my situation, welcome to the world of intense competition. I was expecting to be admitted, but whatever. We'll see what happens. Enjoy your holiday season smile

Posted by: Aditya on December 15, 2007

AAAAAAIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!deferred......:(

darn
>.AAAAAAIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!deferred......:(

darn
>.<

Posted by: Aleo on December 15, 2007

@PeacenikPie

I hear ya.

Posted by: Archon on December 15, 2007

@Aditya

I know exactly what you mean. It does kinda hurt to be deferred after everyone fully expected me to get in. But competition makes everyone work that much harder, right? Besides, should that tube reach our mailboxes in March it'll be all the more sweeter.

Posted by: Mike on December 15, 2007

Kill me slowly.

Posted by: Owen on December 15, 2007

deferred, but then i never expected to be accepted anyway!
got into my first choice college, so no probs tehre!
good luck to every1, these blogs were fun! smile
take care, and have good faith!
as some1 said earlier, if u want it bad enough, it'll happen!

Posted by: Anonymous on December 15, 2007

Wow... I've been waiting for this day since I was in third grade. I wasn't really expecting being deferred, I just figured I would be accepted or rejected. I suppose that it is a good thing, but waiting until march means I'll have to really try to keep up with my way too huge course load for another three months. Not to mention the other apps and scholarships. Well, I guess I'll be taking an exchange year next year anyway, so that gives me another chance to reapply to all of these places... Until then OSU honors engineering has accepted me... for whatever that's worth.

Posted by: Paul on December 15, 2007

great, stressed out all week about it and then got deferred. i know people say that there's still hope in march, well, i hope so.

Posted by: back_to_app on December 15, 2007

Deferred from MIT; accepted into Caltech.

...?

Posted by: matt on December 15, 2007

Eh... it's what I expected. I can only hope for March to bring better news. On the bright side, I got into UChicago, so I AM NOT going to Rutgers!!!

Posted by: BB on December 15, 2007

I was deferred too!

Well, just gotta nail my last few grades in my classes now. I wonder if we can send in new material if stuff has changed?

Posted by: Collin on December 15, 2007

@ Mike,

I don't think they send out Tubes for regular decision, I think MIT only does it for EA. Which sucks, because I'd love a tube, EA or not!

I want to petition for tubes for RD.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred. C'est la vie.

Well, this semester should bring my grades and my rank up (currently 19/189... curse you, 10th grade gym!). Maybe that will help come Regular Decision.

Posted by: Alex on December 15, 2007

what are these tubes people are talking about?

Posted by: confused on December 15, 2007

@Anonymous

I second that motion. Why shouldn't Regular Applicants get tubes? As long as everything is recycled in the end, paper OR tube, the world is fine.

Posted by: Anonymous #2 on December 15, 2007

lol, California

Posted by: PeacenikPie on December 15, 2007

@ confused:
ah yes, I didn't know what a tube was just yesterday. I think in Ben Jones blog near the end we were discussing that accepted early applicants get a postal tube instead of an envelope. Check it out. Again, MIT is one step ahead of other institutions!

Posted by: archimedes on December 15, 2007

@archimedes: thanks for the clarification

Posted by: (not) confused (anymore) on December 15, 2007

No tube for RD? Aww, I was looking forward to that!

Posted by: Mike on December 15, 2007

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Posted by: california on December 15, 2007

the very fact that I wasn't shot down first round is comforting in itself. Now I can still have MIT as a dream 'till March. I didn't even dream of filling out the MIT app I got mailed until my counselor said to go for it.

Besides, life wouldn't be nearly as interesting if everything was decided and finished on time...

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Anonymous,
good attitude. That's really what will make the difference!

Posted by: archimedes on December 15, 2007

Universidad Real de Madrid here I come! w00t!

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

I knew that I should have maintained the idea that I was most likely going to be deferred, but I had everyone around me telling me not to worry and that I would get in. That makes this hurt even more right now.

Posted by: Taylor on December 15, 2007

Deferred, so... now it is time for "Plan-B", but my "Plan-B" is the same as "Plan-A" and that is getting admitted to MIT. "It is not over till it is over..." so hang in there guys. I'm looking forward to Matt's suggestions on what to do next.
Don't give up everyone.

Posted by: thomas on December 15, 2007

deferred... now i wait for the caltech letter... and hopefully for better news in march... good luck to all of you guys!

michael jordan didn't get on to his hs bball team on his first try
franklin didn't invent the lightbulb on his first try
we didn't get into MIT on our first try... maybe the second will be more successful

Posted by: _MIT_ on December 15, 2007

franklin didnt invent the light bulb

Posted by: california on December 15, 2007

lol

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

@california
I wouldn't be surprised if there were people at MIT who did that, but it would be interesting to know how many of them did before they applied;
also, darn you for posting in decimal instead of hex, with no punctuation whatsoever and almost all caps, lol)

Posted by: anon on December 15, 2007

ouch, that doth hurt me so.

Posted by: hamlets on December 15, 2007

@ Ken

Well said and great story. See you after break!

By the way, it's always kind of weird to be accepted to MIT or CalTech and be deferred from the other (happened to me), try not to think into it too much.

Posted by: Snively on December 15, 2007

actually i would probably stop if i went to MIT (which i know is odd, usually people first start when they go to college) but the way i look at it if i just want to do that id go to Berkeley

Posted by: california on December 15, 2007

Deferred from MIT and accepted to Caltech....

Hmmm...

Posted by: Stephanie on December 15, 2007

Just got home from work and looked up my status...also deferred, which was a good thing for me because I was totally psyching myself out for rejection. Well, I guess I'll accept my Georgia Tech scholarship and go there. smile Cheers and good luck in March!

Posted by: Michelle L. on December 15, 2007

I remember getting deferred last year... There is definitely still hope!

Posted by: Hawkins on December 15, 2007

Deferred at MIT and Caltech on the same day. Now I have to work on other applications:(

Posted by: Nick on December 15, 2007

Deferred... But I got accepted to CALTECH!

Posted by: Lisa on December 15, 2007

Wait, I think RD peeps do get tubes. Sorry for being ambiguous. Don't give up hope!

Posted by: archimedes on December 15, 2007

No tubes for regular folks, unfortunately - at least, that's what happened to me last year. It'd be awesome if they changed that, though. (How about it, Matt? :D)

By the way, I know a ton of people who were deferred and then accepted, so don't give up! I even know several who were waitlisted and admitted, and they are among the strongest students I know. (Like Ken, who actually lives on the floor above me in Simmons. ^_^) If they hadn't told me they were waitlisted, I never would have guessed. I think that just proves that a deferral from MIT truly is not a statement on your academic abilities.

Finally, for those of you reading this who are waiting to apply regular, that's what I did and I'm doing just fine. Although I'm still stressing over finals. :D

Posted by: Paul on December 15, 2007

I am surprised no one's posted this yet. It fits:

Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train goin' anywhere
Just a city boy, born and raised in south detroit
He took the midnight train goin' anywhere

A singer in a smokey room
A smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on and on and on

Strangers waiting, up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching in the night
Streetlight people, living just to find emotion
Hiding, somewhere in the night

Working hard to get my fill,
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice,
Just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

(chorus)
Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people

Posted by: archimedes on December 15, 2007

same as a few others, deferred here, accepted at caltech.

I also have a story for you:
between 11:00 pm central (mit release) and 3 pm (when i got caltech news), i probably gained 5 lbs. of sadness binging weight. thank god that other letter arrived...

well, mit>caltech (not to say the "other" institute is bad or anything...) in my eyes, so i hope regular stuff goes well.

Posted by: keshav p on December 15, 2007

Yeah, let's empty our minds and wait with out any expectations. Then, if we don't make it, we'll be less dissapointed, but if we do, it'll be like your old aunt finally managed to pick out a Christmas present that you like. Oh, the sudden joy!

Posted by: Scott C on December 15, 2007

To the Deferred,

It's tough, being in your position. You may be disappointed. You may be angry. You may be thinking, "C'MON, JUST MAKE A DECISION ALREADY." And it's tough.

But if MIT's your dream, don't give up. Write a letter to MIT. Alert them to new things that may change things - new awards, activities, etc. Remember, there's a decent chance you'll be admitted regular. Early Action applicants tend to be at the TOP of the MIT pool of applicants. You guys were essentially told that, "Of the best, you're definitely a contender." Many of you may hate to hear that, since to get to this point you *had* to be the best - that kind of fades here at MIT. It fades because 1) everyone's so dang smart, and 2) there's no more class rank or anything to worry about anymore, so you just learn to learn.

Don't be disappointed. Just keep trying.

Posted by: Hunter '11 on December 15, 2007

Deferred MIT, accepted Caltech.
So getting into Caltech means I'm academically competitive at some level, does this means I have a potentially good chance for the MIT regular decision? :D

Also, I know MIT asks not to send a resume, but say I get published or I have some state and national awards that didn't fit on the application or that are recently new, are the deferred allowed to send this kind of info in?

Posted by: M on December 15, 2007

@California: There is never too much and I doubt it played any part in your deferral.

Or maybe it did? Perhaps that's why I was deferred too... oh well. At least it kept me sane. smile

Posted by: PeacenikPie on December 15, 2007

Deferred... oh well. I was totally expecting it, and the fact that's it's not outright rejection is definitely comforting (if only a little). Congrats to all the admits (you guys must totally rock!) and hopefully I'll be joining your ranks in March!

-Ben

Posted by: BMG on December 15, 2007

Deferred at MIT, and accepted to Caltech. Strange, strange. You have to figure that there's a lottery process involved in this if at least 4 people on this board were accepted to Caltech, but deferred from MIT. Theoretically, acceptance at one should mean acceptance at the other. Anyway, well, we'll just have to wait, eh?

Posted by: Will on December 15, 2007

Deferred...but I'm not too distraught. Kudos to those who were accepted.

Posted by: G on December 15, 2007

The Accepted blog is probably the most depressing thing I've ever read. Flowers for Algernon doesn't even come close.

Posted by: anon on December 15, 2007

yup deferred. ugh i got to finish my RD apps. what's weird is that i don't know if MIT is a match for me anymore. i've wanted it for so many years and when it finally comes time to decide where i want to go, i'm thinking MIT isn't number one anymore. woops. damn i'm confused.

Posted by: Dan on December 15, 2007

hello my deferred homies.
*sigh* the wait has extended...
but that's ok...i knew i was going to be deferred. (and, thankfully, i wasn't rejected)
at any rate, i'm not giving up. MIT is such an awesome place and I wish everyone the best of luck getting in. :D

Posted by: mathstar-future course 16(?) on December 15, 2007

deferred... k ima n00b pls?

It's not the wait that sucks for me, it's the massive number of apps I have to do now... yay, Christmas break!

Posted by: Anirvan M. on December 15, 2007

@M - Don't send a resume, but definitely update with awards and other things you've done! I would ask an admissions officer personally, but I think if you want to send another recommendation (assuming this person knows you well and can give another dimension to you), that'd be good, too.

@Will - I disagree that acceptance at one theoretically means acceptance at another. Yes, they're both top schools in engineering, but consider this - MIT and Caltech may be looking for different things in a student. I have my own opinions on this that I won't go into, but the two being at the top does not make them the same. (Plus, this is even physically impossible. MIT accepts more students than Caltech, who has a class of about 250.)

Posted by: Hunter '11 on December 15, 2007

Hey at least we don't have to pay the application fee twice. But, we do have to pay for all the other apps now... Stanford+Rice+Cornell+A&M= lots of fees. Being deferred sucks. The common app will be my most visited site this week...

Posted by: Leko on December 15, 2007

Yes! I have become really attached to the blogs and being deferred has given me an excuse to keep reading them until March.... Good luck to all in Round 2!!!!!

Posted by: Lauren S. on December 15, 2007

Can deferred students still do an overnight visit / stay-with-a-student-for-a-day thing?

Posted by: Zev on December 15, 2007

I don't know what MIT wants. I have the scores and recs. I thought my essays were good. I've won awards from Siemens and qualified for USAMO. Hmm...interesting.

@Will, same here.

Posted by: ty on December 15, 2007

@Hunter
Thanks for the input, would I just send an email to admissions or would a formal typed letter on school stationary with teacher or principle validation that the awards I am claiming are valid be more appropriate?

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Well dangit... I was so pumped when I hit that link, too. xP Well, time to play the waiting game again.

Posted by: Aleu on December 15, 2007

Deferred :( smile?

Yeah, we are "stuck in between"- however, I think we should be pretty freakin' proud of ourselves though- this probably mean we could get in RD anyhwere else in the country....

although i want MIT dangit :(


I think we should start a support group on facebook...any takers?

Posted by: MarylandmyMaryland on December 15, 2007

MIT actually contacted one of my teachers and said they really liked me. My hopes got up, and then this happened.

Not quite sure what to believe in anymore.

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Deferred :(


I think I need to go hug something.

Posted by: Liz on December 15, 2007

lol at the hex and oct and binary stuff!!
My school gets personalized senior shirts for seniors.
I ordered one with my name in hexdecimal on it!!! ^-^ ( binary wouldn't fit)

@Liz : *hug*

It wasn't fun when all my friends got in..and i am the only one that got deferred.
they all super deserved it though!!

3 more month! good luck everyone!

Posted by: 0 on December 15, 2007

Ty wrote, "I don't know what MIT wants." Like many others on this board, Ty is highly qualified for any top school. The following quote is from elsewhere on this admission site (#5, top of this screen). It explains how MIT could reject some very qualified candidates in cases where there is overlap or redundancy in gifts and talents:

"When we admit a class of students to MIT, it's as if we're choosing a 1,000-person team to climb a very interesting, fairly rugged mountain - together. We obviously want people who have the training, stamina and passion for the climb. At the same time, we want each to add something useful or intriguing to the team, from a wonderful temperament or sense of humor, to compelling personal experiences, to a wide range of individual gifts, talents, interests and achievements. We are emphatically not looking for a batch of identical perfect climbers; we are looking for a richly varied team of capable people who will support, surprise and inspire each other."

I attended President Hockfield's convocation speech this fall, and her description of the entering class stressed its diversity. The students are drawn from all areas of the country and around the world. Some come to MIT from urban areas; others come to MIT from ranches in the midwest or rural areas in Latin America. In the current freshman class there are strong mathematicians and budding scientists and engineers, but among these are visual artists, athletes, musicians, dancers, actors, comedians, entrepreneurs, humanitarian -- you name it.

If you were deferred, it's a disappointment right now. But this is no reflection on your qualifications, your passion, or your potential.

Posted by: MIT parent on December 15, 2007

marylandmymarland,
if you start a facebook group and post the link here, I will definitely join.

Posted by: stephanie on December 15, 2007

Just wanna say that you're all awesome and you shouldn't let this get you down. Go and do something fun, and then, very soon, enjoy being a second term senior. There's hope left, go with it like you didn't get deferred- Who knows? This might be for the best- and you could end up with a lot more options in the spring....

Posted by: Alex on December 15, 2007

I find it relatively impossible to enjoy my second term as a senior not knowing where I will be going to college. Hell, I doubt I'm getting in anywhere now. Thank you MIT for reaffirming my insecurities.

And I still haven't heard back from Caltech.

In the meantime, I will worry. I will cry. I will work arduously on regular decision applications. And I will pay those goddamn fees (upwards of $700.) But now, now I shall play Nethack.

Posted by: PeacenikPie on December 15, 2007

@ Leko
GO AGGIES!!! (my bro went there)

Posted by: archimedes on December 16, 2007

hmmm... guess its time to add my name to the long list of people here..., at least they will give us one more shot

Posted by: Matthew on December 16, 2007

Haha, nice!. I didn't get flat-out rejected.

Posted by: Kevin on December 16, 2007

Wish I hadn't taken AP Stat.....we only had an 11% chance of getting in Early.......can't give up though!

Posted by: ben on December 16, 2007

OK, at this point, all the messages are blending together as one big deferred blob.

Here's a cause worth fighting for (besides getting into MIT in March): TUBES FOR THOSE ACCEPTED RD!

How's about it, Matt ? =D

Posted by: 0 on December 16, 2007

I told all my friends I'd be deferred, but I did want to get in. Didn't get my letter from Caltech today either and since there's no mail on Sunday, I'll have to wait for next week. BTW, anyone know how long it takes for a letter to go from Pasadena to the Boston area?

Still keep up hope. Unlike most universities (including Caltech), MIT admits a smaller percentage of earlies than regulars. So applying early to MIT doesn't increase your chances of getting in and we all have a fair shot at regular grin Best of luck!

Posted by: Jenny on December 16, 2007

I have to wait until March :(
maybe it will be a nice birthday present?

Posted by: Marty on December 16, 2007

I second anonymous' proposition:

Here's a cause worth fighting for (besides getting into MIT in March): TUBES FOR THOSE ACCEPTED RD!

After all, from what I can garner the tubes for EA acceptances are a recent addition to the MIT tradition, so why not include the RD acceptances? I would certainly love to get a tube, even if I don't have a Christmas tree to put it under...

Here's to a good St. Patty's Weekend 2008!

Posted by: Me on December 16, 2007

It is interesting.....

Posted by: R(2n-1) on December 16, 2007

hmmm... we should get cubes... or tetrahedrons

Posted by: Leko on December 16, 2007

If a new personal experience has happened to us since we sent in our applications, could we send in a small essay or explanation if it might give MIT a better understanding of who we are?

MIT was my last app that I had to fill out, until I did a last minute Cal Poly one, now I gotta wait 3-4 months before I hear from my last 3 colleges.

WE SHALL PRESERVE OUR WILL PERSEVERE!

hehe I love funny plays on words, if that even is one

Posted by: Collin on December 16, 2007

Does anyone know how we can edit our essays online before the RD deadline? or do we have to mail in any changes? Thanks

Posted by: Leko on December 16, 2007

Just another sheep in the deferred herd.

I think we can all agree that more than anything it's just frustrating to wait. (I'm torn in a weird sense, because I'm attached to my home town, Austin, and the engineering school here is also very good.) Anyway, let's just try to be patient and rid ourselves of any bitterness. MIT is a beautiful place, and it's a priviledge to go there. If we get in, then we'll celebrate and see each other next year!! If not, we still have so much to be grateful for =)

I hope we're lucky enough to be in Cambridge next year. I WISH THE BEST OF LUCK TO EVERYONE!

Posted by: Goli on December 16, 2007

Man you think your app is awesome, you get deferred, and you wonder if each thing you spent time entering into the app was actually read by an admissions officer..... i know if i was reading an application with many activities and awards, i would get kind of bored with it and throw it in the deferred stack...

Posted by: ANon on December 16, 2007

I pose the same question as Collin about a personal experience essay in addition to our already submitted app.

Posted by: M. on December 16, 2007

I was in your shoes 5 years ago. Don't give up. Move on with the rest of your senior year, enjoying the time, applying to other colleges, but keeping MIT on the back burner. In due time, i.e. March, you'll hear again from MIT.

All will be ok. Your future is promising regardless of the decision in march =)

-Justin, c/o '07

Posted by: Justin on December 16, 2007

@MIT parent
Yea, I've read that climbing analogy somewhere. Oh well, I'm just kind of disappointed =/. Thanks for your encouragement though.

Posted by: ty on December 16, 2007

a few things.
1. please let us get tubes for RD. it sounds SO exciting. otherwise, I'll just have to watch my friend open his.
2. yup definitely bummed me out. but that just means i'm gonna work even harder. get into the others, do well on my finals, qualify for AIME again and hopefully get a 5.

well, i'll send a letter, keep my hopes up and try to remember, or believe, hard as it is, that if i'm supposed to get in, i will. and if i don't, i wasn't supposed it. and though i've been waiting for this for as long as i can remember, it will work out. if i get waitlisted, i'm staying on it. mit is my DREAM school. if i get in, it'll make all my hard work worth it. i thought that before, then i went and visited, and at that point, i knew it was right. it was AMAZING. couldn't think of any place better. but i guess i haven't looked at the other places. I don't know.

keep a positive outlook and if you really want it that bad (as many of us do) they i wish us all the best and maybe, hopefully, whatever the word is that means i really really really hope it happens, we will get in. yaaaay for us. we're still in the running!

david, the still hopeful mit'12 student.

Posted by: David '12 hopeful on December 16, 2007

Beats flat out rejection. Though the suspense is killer.

Posted by: Matthew on December 16, 2007

Ugh.. now I have to actually try in school AND get back to applying for more colleges. Dang

Posted by: Will on December 16, 2007

I cried myself to sleep. And then I ate 10 gallons of ice cream. And then I proceeded to cry some more, until I ran out of tears. Then I cried blood.


Oh wait, I only got deferred?
Shoot.

Posted by: EmoEmoEmo on December 16, 2007

deferred...........

Posted by: ... on December 16, 2007

just wanted to say good luck to everyone who got deferred. means that you have a chance, and that you were good enough to make it past the first hurdle. There are tons who would love to take your place as a deferred student from MIT. Because it's not a no, its a maybe with a chance of turning into a yes. Your all exceptional, and they couldn't decide, and simply want to know more about you.
Obviously everyone applying wants a yes, but you lot got the second best answer. Be proud of yourselves, because just the fact that you felt you could be a part of MIT, worked hard, and didn't get shot down at the first weeding out.

Celebrate the fact that there is still hope. And of course other schools, but honestly who wants to hear that?

Take it from me, I got a flat out rejection.

Posted by: ups on December 16, 2007

I REALLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY hope I get in Regular Decision!

Posted by: hoping on December 16, 2007

@ups: you're totally right, so as of now i'm going to stop thinking about this deferral at all =] thanks lol

Posted by: locke on December 16, 2007

glad I could be of some help.=).

Posted by: ups on December 16, 2007

Hey, it's not that bad. Just think of it this way. All those other accepted EA applicants probably had killer scores & grades, maybe even invented a cure for an some disease or have won in international sports or something. The rest of us, well... bloom a little later. wink

Look at the bright side: "10.9 % of those deferred were accepted." And around 5% of us international students get accepted. You guys have a much higher chance of success and it shows since you're not flat-out rejected! raspberry

Being in RA is purgatory. It's even worse that I still haven't taken my SATs and have to cram 3 years of math & physics in 1 month of revision. It's much worse that my 'long essay' is horrible because I have so much to write, but I only get 500 words :/ (though I'm hoping my optional essay will make up for it). True, I should try liberal arts.. I'm an art person, inclined towards literature and philosophy, it's just that my skills (not talent) are in computers and electronics. Us RA applicants might have the 'advantage' of being able to edit our applications, but it's quite the stressful 'advantage'.

But I guess we're all in the same boat. It's really quite sad that not all of us would make it to the same island.. but I'm sure most of us will do well (like perhaps that guy who was admitted for caltech, but deferred for MIT.. maybe you're more suited for caltech since they admitted you EA).

Posted by: Anonymus on December 16, 2007

Skip this! I'M GETTING IN!

By the new year, my machine will be perfected and ready for showing. In addition to that, my essay on my views on intelligence (proving my points mathematically) will be completed.

I'M GETTING IN.

Posted by: DetroitMan on December 16, 2007

Well...I think deferral is god's way of telling me that I had best keep working my butt off, because if I had already been accepted I might have just gotten an extreme case of senioritus and done nothing for the rest of the year. = ) psh...what's a break...

*is waiting impatiently for march*

Posted by: Rachel on December 16, 2007

just a thought,

we're all competing against the best of the best. We're all brilliant, so if we loose its nothing shameful. It's not like we're loosing to a douche (or a whole class of douches) we're loosing to some of the best students ever.

Maybe that's a bit of consolation. I'm not sure. like I said, just a thought.

Posted by: ups on December 16, 2007

If anyone needs another place to mourn or obsess or just to talk, I've created a facebook group. Visit and join as you feel like it.

http://hs.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6608972514

Posted by: Evan on December 16, 2007

Duuudee...deferral. I'll just go to Penn State. At least they have an awesome marching band (that I hope to be in), and their engineering program is all right, too. Maybe I'll try again for grad school.

But I really did hope I would get in [email protected] - I want to be in the big pond, I have always wanted to be a little fish and have bigger fish to look up to, to drive me further. I've always wanted a challenge...I guess I won't get that. I'll settle for the PSU Band.

Posted by: Rav_Dawg on December 16, 2007

Did the math in my head, I may be off a bit, but...Based on last year's statistics, 9.8% of RD applicants (excluding ED deferred) were admitted. 10.9% of ED deferred were admitted. Congrats, you have a 1.1% better chance of being admitted than the RD's!

Good Luck!
A Mom

PS - I didn't go to MIT, or any named school (dirt poor). But I have plenty of MIT & Ivy grads on my staff reporting into my lower level managers wink. You'll end up where you were meant to be. Enjoy today and every day, life is short and today will never come back to you.

Posted by: I Love Math on December 16, 2007

It's not like I wasn't expecting it, but it's a shock when it's confirmed that your best is average.

Posted by: Duncan on December 16, 2007

Learning your best is average *at MIT standards* is pretty dang good. Heck, I'm probably at the bottom of my class and I'm perfectly happy about it. It's not about being the best, it's about learning.

Posted by: Hunter '11 on December 16, 2007

You guys, if we took all the energy we have spent on complaining--er, I mean, commiserating--about being deferred and put it towards a better cause, we could change the world.

More specifically, TUBES FOR RD FOLKS. Exciting.

Posted by: 0 on December 16, 2007

@ E Rosser

smile NICE.
Are you referencing the Island or Good Morning poem?

Posted by: Pooja on December 16, 2007

If we have new test scores, can we have CollegeBoard send a new score report to be considered during the RA round?

Posted by: Doris on December 16, 2007

If it softens the blow for anyone, they told my EC that they only admitted 2 out of every 15 students.

...my first thought was 'that's an awkward fraction' smile

Good luck to everyone during RA! I'll be right there with you smile

Posted by: Karen on December 16, 2007

Karen,

Did Juan (that kid you talked about on your blog) get in?

Posted by: OmarA on December 16, 2007

Deferred is still amazing, we have another 3 months to prove that we are worth acceptance which I, personally, am really looking forward to. Come on guys, keep your chins up! We are still among the best!

Posted by: MorganM on December 16, 2007

I completely agree with Morgan =]! I'm happy, I still have a shot!

Posted by: Carolina on December 16, 2007

One thing that bugs me...

I got a "holistic" english teacher this year who gave me my first C ever.

Am I doomed?

Posted by: Regularjoe on December 16, 2007

@OmarA: He applied to Stanford EA, actually, and rumor has it that he was deferred. Since I last posted about him, he's actually decided that he doesn't want to go to MIT because he's 'too nerdy'...I guess that's a spot that one of us will get to fill smile

Posted by: 0 on December 16, 2007

Did anyone else have any dreams they got accepted/rejected/deferred the night before? I had a dream that I got accepted, then my mom woke me up at 8 AM... so I went back to sleep and had a dream I got rejected. lol Turned out to be a mixture

Posted by: Carolina on December 16, 2007

Oops, that was me ^^;

Posted by: Karen on December 16, 2007

I had like five dreams that night haha. It was crazy.

Posted by: Eric on December 16, 2007

@Eric

Haha, yeah I had I think 10 dreams and woke up about 14 times the night before.

Posted by: Perry on December 16, 2007

guess what guys!! according to statistics, about 10% of us are going to go to MIT!! 10% of us are going to be accepted through regular decision...

Posted by: 0 on December 16, 2007

All those who got accepted to Caltech and not MIT, I'm with you. Although it may seem confusing and somewhat disappointing, remember Caltech is NOT an easy school to get into. I know people who've gotten into MIT who would never get into Caltech, and in Caltech may not get into MIT. Each school is different and wants different things; besides, hello we should be celebrating we got into Caltech! WHOOOOOOOO!
Other than that, the wait DOES stink, and also the fact that I received my acceptance letter into Caltech after finding out that MIT deferred me, so it wasn't as happy as it was meant to be-
T

Posted by: TJ on December 16, 2007

Dear Matt,

I am just about finished with my internship at a local college and have been posting regularly as "anonymous." If I send a report concerning that and other recent happenings to the admissions office, could that possibly improve my chances of getting in RA? I was slightly disappointed by the deferral but I still insanely love MIT! It's been my dream since I was like...born...lol

Oh yes and by the way, CONGRATULATIONS to all the EA admits! 88 to all of you! (That's luck in Chinese!)

Posted by: HappilyNerdy88 on December 16, 2007

Admitted RA applicants should definitely get tubes-wouldn't it save paper??? MIT could use recycled cardboard!!

Posted by: archimedes on December 16, 2007

I can so relate to you on the dreams thing the night before! One of the more impressionable ones is where I see the mail man put a tube in my mailbox, and start walking fast down my driveway in order to get to the mailbox. But...my driveway keeps getting longer and longer, and suddenly, before I know it, I'm running on this never-ending strip of concrete that is keeping me from getting to my beloved tube.

Guess it was kind of accurate.

Posted by: Anonymous #2 on December 16, 2007

I'm all for RD getting tubes. As for dreams, I definitely went through at least three iterations of me finding out my decision before I did the real thing.

Posted by: Mike on December 16, 2007

My dream consisted of me getting both MIT and Caltech letters at the same time but being unable to determine what my decision was from either. The letters went on in monotonous jargon while i frantically searched for the "you have been accepted...rejected...deferred..." line.

now how to tip the scales...

Posted by: M. on December 16, 2007

TUBESSSSSSS

Posted by: tuber on December 16, 2007

@Matt:

Why were more female students admitted than male in the EA , or in another word, more males deferred than females ? The observation is based on my reading on collegeconfidential, and it is by no means accurate statistically.

Thanks

Posted by: AParent on December 17, 2007

haha My dreams weren't quite as exciting (or distressing) as walking down an infinite corrido-erm I mean driveway

Which reminds me, check this out:

http://web.mit.edu/planning/www/mithenge.html

(Yes, I'm a future astronomer! =])

Posted by: Carolina on December 17, 2007

It's so tactful that they put the forum of celebration right above ours.


Ah, well, whatever MIT. Your call.

Posted by: poo on December 17, 2007

"Why were more female students admitted than male in the EA , or in another word, more males deferred than females ? The observation is based on my reading on collegeconfidential, and it is by no means accurate statistically."

These are two different questions. I have a feeling more males than females apply to MIT, so it's logical to assume more males than females would be deferred. I doubt more females than males were admitted, though, given that MIT is has slightly more men than women.

Posted by: Hunter '11 on December 17, 2007

deferred :(
i've been looking forward to this day for ages. still glad i've got a chance, but will hate telling my parents.
and i've a math test in an hour.

Posted by: caylin on December 17, 2007

@AParent:
Last year there were more male early admits than female admits, but as I recall, there were more females posting on the blogs. MIT's newspaper, The Tech, will report the EA statistics when they become available. You can access online version of The Tech by searching on MIT's main webpage.

Posted by: MITParent on December 17, 2007

now we can relive all the stress and emotional hardship of waiting for the decision in a few months. i cant wait

Posted by: 0 on December 17, 2007

I'm going to get in!! i will not give up. i will keep trying. i don't fail like this. i'm getting in if there's anything i can do about it. please, please, please let me in!!

i didn't really want to go before, just applied for the heck of it, but now, OMG I WILL GET IN!!

Posted by: 0 on December 17, 2007

I just got an acceptance letter from Caltech, so suddenly being deferred from MIT doesn't matter at all smile

Posted by: Marissa on December 17, 2007

MIT generally has about twice as many males as females that apply. They take a roughly equal number of both. Statistically speaking, last year, for the class of 2011, a female was 2.3 times as likely as a male to be accepted.

Quotas anyone?

Posted by: 0 on December 17, 2007

Finding that I was deferred shocked and saddened me, but in retrospect I am sort of glad that it happened. If I had gotten in with no trouble, I would never have appreciated what an incredible and prestigious school MIT is. Since I was deferred I have taken more consideration of my college plans and I've realized how much I want to be a part of MIT. The institute embodies my greatest ambition: the uninhibited pursuit of knowledge through reason. Now I realize this, and I won't rest until I do everything in my power to gain admission to the greatest school in the world, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Posted by: Matt on December 17, 2007

Are we allowed to submit further materials, as if our application deadline was Jan. 1?

I had finished a research paper, but not before the early application was due, so I wasn't able to send it in to MIT. Am I allowed to send it in now?

Posted by: Benu on December 17, 2007

I applied to two schools EA (MIT and Case Western Reserve, for those who care to know). As you can see I was deferred here, but CWR extended their EA deadline 15 days so people affected by the California wildfires could apply. Notification went from 12/15 to 1/1.

So much for knowing if I got into my safety or my stretch by Christmas.

There are way to many posts here to read them all, and I'm sure nobody will read mine, but this is a nice little feature.

Posted by: Will on December 17, 2007

Double post, sry.

Anyhow, regarding quotas...there are definitely some lurking variables. Just because there are more male applicants than female applicants doesn't mean they are equally qualified. I think the way society is right now (although we're shifting away from it) is that more men feel like they could get in. Similarly, perhaps a smaller amount of women (those that are more qualified) think they'll be able to get in, but actually do.

Quotas? Maybe, but I'll remain optimistic.

Posted by: Will on December 17, 2007

Man, more girls should apply, or at least admit the same percent of female applicants as male applicants. If 4000 females and 7000 males apply and admittance is 10%, they should take only 400 girls and 700 guys. Balancing out the overall ratio of Male to Female 1:1 definitely gives Females a better chance of getting in, which is sexist.

Posted by: ANon on December 17, 2007

Cheer up chaps!

Think about your deferral in this overly optimistic way:

If MIT didn't see any potential in you or did not want to admit you, you would have already been rejected. Your deferral simply means that MIT wants to admit you, but needs a little more reason for it. All you have to do is further demonstrate to them that you are a qualified applicant.

Best of luck!

Posted by: optimistic on December 17, 2007

If we want to submit extra stuff to add to our original application after being deferred, like letters, supplementary materials, etc, do we have to get them in by the Jan 1st RA deadline?

Posted by: anon on December 17, 2007

anon: I believe you are allowed to continue sending supplementary materials until decisions are mailed judging based upon Matt's blog for deferred students last year. Link: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/the_selection_process_application_reading_committee_and_decisions/more_for_deferred_students.shtml

Bah, it's not fun being deferred! I guess I'll just consider a challenge to work even harder to get in wink Must go to MIT! Congrats to all those accepted, and keep working hard and good things will happen to everyone that was deferred like me

Posted by: DHowdy on December 17, 2007

@ANon - From what I've gathered from the blogs and my own personal experience, the female applicant pool - having to fight the stereotype that "Girls don't do science" - tends to be much more self-selected than the male applicant pool. Maybe I'm stepping on a couple of toes here, but for girls to think they have a chance at this school (or other awesome science schools), they have to be equal or above their male counterparts to even apply. So while less girls apply, they are on average more qualified. I'm surprised by how many girls here passed out of GIRs and such - because, at least where I live, the girls seem to have passed out of more than the guys.

Posted by: Hunter '11 on December 18, 2007

As math/science people, I know a lot of us are wondering if/when EA statistics will be posted?

Posted by: Anon12 on December 18, 2007

I expected either 'Deferred' or 'Rejected' so I must say that I'm not entirely demoralized to be deferred. I didn't think that I'd get accepted straight away. Ah well.. in any case.. There's always March.. and until then I'm not worrying about it. I appreciate and respect all of MIT's decisions. And at the end of the day, even if I don't get in, I'll be happy that I gave it a shot and all in all, it's their loss.

Don't let your hopes fall people - got to fight for what you want!

Posted by: Mihir Sheth on December 18, 2007

Ouch, only about 2-3 out of around 50 in my country get accepted. I'd statistically have a better chance if I was a deferred American raspberry

Actually, being male myself, I don't really mind that women have statistically twice the chance of getting accepted. If there really were 30% of females in a class, there'd be quite a bit more negative competition in the class since people tend to be a bit competitive with members of the same sex in front of members of the opposite sex. I heard it's worse if the minority of the class were male, as my friends in medical schools say. So, be happy even if there is a quota wink

Posted by: Anonymus on December 18, 2007

Are we allowed to submit further materials, as if our application deadline was Jan. 1?

I had finished a research paper, but not before the early application was due, so I wasn't able to send it in to MIT. Am I allowed to send it in now?

Posted by: Gretzky on December 18, 2007

No school should admit students solely on gender percentages. For all those who are saying "since MIT has more male applicants than female, more males should gain admission than females", you are inherently assuming that the male applicants are more qualified. What if the female applicants are more qualified than the males? If that is the case, MIT should admit more of their female pool than their male pool.

This is 2007. Will we ever get away from sexist attitudes? I applaud MIT for looking at the *person*, and not the gender.

Posted by: Anonymous on December 18, 2007

Women have over 2x as good a chance of getting in according to the statistics:

http://web.mit.edu/ir/cds/2007/c.html

Posted by: anON on December 18, 2007

@ Anonymous

Yes I agree that gender should not play a role in the admission decisions, but i am sure that it does, in that most institutions strive to accept the same percentage of both in the overall class. Therefore if less girls apply they have a better chance of getting in. I am not saying that males are more qualified. I would just like to see the results if filling in the gender oval was not part of the app.

Posted by: ANon on December 18, 2007

Come on guys, lets cheer up and enjoy the holidays! Just 3 more days until we get out! If any of you play Halo 3 online you can add me as samoanthunder08 and just send me a note that you are from the MIT blogs.

Posted by: Leko on December 18, 2007

Even if the admissions dont take gender into account when making decisions about applications, they definately take into consideration which "race/ethnicity" box that the applicants checked.
Theres even a section on the MIT admission site labled "affirmative action"...
besides... its not like someone who is one fourth hispanic or african american is really going to diversify the school any more that someone who isnt.

Also, there really arent any races, all people were created equal and all humans are of one blood. Its been shown that the genetic variation between all people who arent closely related is about 2%, regardless of what race that they are classified as, and that the "racial distinctions" are comprised of only .12% of the genome.


There is also the fact that everyone is decendent from Adam and Eve who were created about 6,000 years ago, and that everyone is also decendent from Noah's family who were the sole survivors of the global Flood about 4500 years ago, in which the sediment layers and fossils were laid down, and when the continents drifted apart... Well I'm probably alone in this idea here, and if i end up getting into MIT i'd be one of the few if not the only Young Earth Creationists there.
(notice that this is anonomyous, because i'd like to avoid being discriminated against because of it)

Posted by: 0 on December 19, 2007

are you kidding me.

Posted by: wow. on December 19, 2007

Speaking from purely a statistical standpoint, having more than twice the number of qualified females than males for a few years in a row is very unlikely. True, it is possible, but the probability is extremely low if a high ratio of "qualified" females to males occur year after year.

at the anonymous young earth creationist,

Are you Catholic by any chance? Because the Catholic Church officially supports the Big Bang theory.

Posted by: 0 on December 19, 2007

There are not twice the # of qualified females than males, but half the total # of girls applying as males and about the same # of each admitted in the overall class... meaning that girls have over 2x as good a chance as males in getting in. For 2007, it was about 9.9% chance for males, 22% for female (# of females admitted over total females applied). This is a trend that dates back at least 3-4 years according to http://web.mit.edu/ir/cds/2007/c.html.

I totally agree that female and male acceptance chances should be equal. But these statistics show that it is not. I agree with Hunter '11 about the self-selectiveness of girls fighting the stereotype of "girl don't do science." This fact still does not make it ok for girls to have a higher acceptance rate.

I see no solution to this in the end unless someday in the future we are all assigned numbers at birth and not sex-identifiable names and sex is not a check box on the application. But until then, and the day that pigs levitate, we guys will just have to be more competitive...especially if you're white.

Posted by: Leko on December 19, 2007

I say we get off this topic, though, and concentrate on more important matters at hand, like other apps...

Posted by: Leko on December 19, 2007

I have a "friend" who also applied to MIT for engineering simply because, and I quote, "No girls do engineering so it'll be easy to get in." She was deferred from MIT but accepted at Cornell, her first choice. Without sounding rude, cynical, or otherwise jaded, this girl is not qualified for any of the schools she applied to, but she's going nonetheless. I was also deferred. Good thing I'm able to go somewhere else, too...

Posted by: Anonymous on December 19, 2007

No, i am not catholic. I dont think that the pope is infallible (i dont see why an elected cardinal would be), and i think that the catholic church is wrong and self contradictory on this issue...

There are actually plenty of scientists that support Creation, and plenty more who actually realize the many flaws in evolutionary axioms and ideas. For example the origin of life... even renowned scientists such as Francic Crick (discovered DNA shape with James Watson) have grave doubts about it, Crick has been quoted on his belief that because the conditions on earth couldnt have been right for the origination of cells, the first prokaryotic cells must have come from space, where there was some different planet on which the life could have originated...

Yeah, i should probably stop now, before the MIT defferal forum gets hijacked and made into a creation/evolution debate.....

Posted by: 0 on December 20, 2007

Yup, you wouldn't want a debate about creationism, which is why you brought it up and persisted...

The idea that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago is laughably absurd and anti-scientific. Those scientists who you cited may believe in a God (so did Einstein), but surely would never let their idea of God, as written down in some antiquated book, stand in the way of provable, verifiable, irrefutable scientific fact. That so few creationists apply to MIT is not a conspiracy against creationists, but the fact that that group approaches the evidence with the conclusion already firmly in mind. There's no skepticism. And that's not science.

Sorry, somebody had to say it. Religion must not be allowed to stand in the way of science. Ethics, absolutely. But not religion -- because the two systems, insofar as they overlap, are fundamentally not compatible. (On the other hand, in the intellectual realms in which science has no presence, like the afterlife, apply religious principles all you want!)

Posted by: 0 on December 20, 2007

*sigh* I'd rather avoid saying anything, but I can't help myself.

First, religion does not stand against science. In fact, mine very strongly supports science because it lets us to appreciate God's creation.

Like in religion, science is all theoretical. The afterlife noted in religion is there because 'a book said it'. Same goes for science. Someone wrote the book either ways. We may never really know when the Earth was created, but we can either deduce it from calculations or holy books.

The reason I say this is that scientists can be very fanatical about what they beleive is true, but when someone pops up and says something 'impossible' like claiming that he created energy out of nothing, they would shoot him down with religious fervor. It's just not good for science and it makes me sad to see how so many great scientists were fired from their universities after publishing a book, then considered as pioneer in his field after he's dead.

And well, I wouldn't like to be fired by a MIT graduate in the future for discovering a way to go past the speed of light raspberry

Posted by: Also Anonymous on December 20, 2007

Well, there's not much activity on this blog anyway.

Scientific theories can be proven wrong. Religious theories cannot be proven wrong. Fundamentally opposite. That's why the two are not compatible in the domains where they overlap.

If you proved that one could go faster than the speed of light by applying scientific principles and gathering evidence, the scientific community would (perhaps not immediately, but after review) embrace that. But if you proved that, say, life was created through purely random processes over billions of years -- your theory is instantly wrong as far as religion is concerned, no matter how much evidence you collect. (Oh, and by the way, that theory is far more beautiful to me than a theory that God snapped his fingers and everything appeared. As soon as God starts snapping his fingers, I run!)

And the reason religion can't be allowed to interrupt scientific progress has nothing to do with fanaticism. The difference is that religion hasn't brought us the flat-screen television, particle accelerators or GPS. It's brought us understanding of how things behave when they move super fast or when they are super small. Science is how progress is made. Can't you see why, especially to those of us who don't believe that there's an afterlife, religion is so frustrating?

And as for "how so many great scientists were fired from their universities after publishing a book", perhaps you recall the story of Galileo, who was excommunicated from the church after publishing HIS scientific results. Or how many young potential scientists were dissuaded from that path after the Scopes trial or the more recent "Intelligent Design" controversy. So to look at the opposite point: how many great scientists were lost due to religion's presence in realms where it does not belong?

Posted by: 0 on December 20, 2007

Deferred here, but luckily I just found out today I was accepted EA to Case Western. I was prepared to start sending out regular applications left and right. Now all I have to do is wait until March for MIT, and even if I don't get in, I'm still set with Case.

Posted by: Nick on December 20, 2007

what does deferred mean does this mean i got the scholarship?

Posted by: 0 on December 21, 2007

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